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I’m Joanna Lindenbaum, a coach ritualist and all around transformation nerd who is obsessed with helping clients go deep to create more change.
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And results with their clients.
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I created the Coaching Revolution podcast to share with you coaching skills, tips and advice, as well as a deeper understanding of human behavior and.
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Yourself so that you can do even better client work and group work.
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Grow your business organically.
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And know that you’re making a real difference in the world.
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This is about creating a revolution in the transformational industry so that more practitioners feel amazing about what they do.
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And so that more of our clients experience life changing shifts, let’s get started.
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Welcome back to the Coaching Revolution podcast.
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We are going to do something a little different for today’s episode, something that we haven’t yet done on the podcast.
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I am replaying an interview that I was on on another podcast about a year ago, a little over a year ago. Actually. It was on the let’s Lead Together podcast with Marley Williams.
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Marley is a colleague of mine that I’ve known for quite a while and she interviewed me on how to create transformational experiences for groups.
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Our conversation was really fun and filled with so many tips. I gave tips. Marley gave tips on how to bring your groups in your programs together.
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So that your participants are.
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We looked at how to work with fear.
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We looked at groups and regulation.
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Marley and I both told some pretty potent personal stories as well.
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I really enjoyed this conversation and I hope that you will too if you are leading workshops.
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Retreats circles group programs.
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This is an episode that you definitely want to pay attention to.
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Enjoy.
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Right.
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All right, everybody, welcome back to the Marley Williams podcast.
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I am so stoked to have you all here and I am really excited to have a powerful conversation with one of my mentors, Joanna Lindenbaum.
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Who is just such a masterful facilitator and practitioner?
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And I’m just so stoked to have you here.
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You for being here today.
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You’re so welcome. And just taking all of that into my heart.
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For that.
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I’m thrilled to be here.
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Hmm.
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I just think it’s so important for for coaches to have coaches for mentors, to have mentors and you know, I’ve been witness, been a witness to your work.
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Been a student of your work over the years and just seeing who you are in the world. Seeing how you show up.
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I would love for you to have an opportunity for you to introduce yourself to this amazing podcast audience and community.
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What your work is in the world and what’s lighting you up the most about your work right now, you can and we’ll just kick things off from there.
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Yeah, I love.
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Great. So OK, I could go on and on, but I’ll keep it short about, you know what I do a little bit like how I came to it.
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I was. You know what you could call a leadership coach and business coach, which was amazing.
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I loved.
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I love supporting my clients to move forward in their business and on an inner level, you know.
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To to work through the fears and the beliefs.
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One thing I noticed a couple years into it was that one of the reasons why my clients they were all.
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Coaches, therapists, leaders, practitioners. One of the reasons why my clients were doing so well in.
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So much to do with the marketing techniques, teaching them how to do it.
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Inner work.
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And it had a lot to do with the fact that all of the the coaching and transformation techniques that I was modeling for them, they were bringing into their own work.
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They were bringing that into their own work.
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Their people became raving.
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Their their clients, you know, were re signing were sending referrals and then they were feeling more confident to put themselves out in the world because, you know, they had this success.
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So it was a light bulb moment of, oh, when I’m actually really teaching people are these.
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Techniques for going deeper with clients and going deeper with yourself.
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And so that’s how I came to do the work that I do now, which is really supporting transformational practitioners to go deeper in their one-on-one work in their group, work in their leadership.
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With themselves, I love the coaching and transformational industries so much and also sometimes I feel like there’s too much of an emphasis on marketing.
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And not enough of an emphasis on quality and really knowing how to go there with clients and groups and.
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That’s at, at its core, what the work is about.
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And the stealth mission, which is, you know, you said like, what’s really lighting me up.
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Underneath all of that, really, at the end of the day, one of the things that that all of the trainings and work that I do it, it helps people.
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Learn how to love and accept every little last part of themselves, not just the pretty parts, but the unsavory parts.
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Parts that they have previously rejected put into shadow it.
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By learning these deeper techniques by going through it themselves, we’re all learning how to love and accept ourselves and others more deeply.
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To me, that’s the most exciting thing I could.
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Wow. That. I mean, that’s really the essence of.
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And I think that that’s what makes your work so unique is your commitment.
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To really high level service of you know like how do you fill retreats or how do you get speaking engagements. I always say like be really good at what you do. But I feel like underneath it’s like how do I help people be the best facilitators and coach?
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And practitioners and really have.
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Integrity around their work.
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Work and one of the things that I know is that in this transformation space is you can only take someone to the depth that you have also gone to and so it’s like yes, learning the modalities, learning the tools so that you can deliver that transformation for others.
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But actually applying that to your own work, if if you’re wanting to help people work through their shadows, have you worked through your shadows and this level of self acceptance?
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Self.
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Self-awareness and our capacity to love.
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Will ultimately increase our capacity to really witness our clients and help them go to those places that we’ve been and being the mentor, being the guide helping them.
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You know, to the top of whatever their mountain is because we’ve we’ve been there and you know, we just need to be a few steps ahead.
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But really, doing like the importance of doing that work on ourselves so that we can.
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Of service for others, and I think you’re. You’re such a stand for how important that really is and I really appreciate that.
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Thank you.
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And yes, everything that you said.
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I love it and I think that one of the things that I love so much is just this idea of of depth and going, going deep with people.
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And so I’d be curious from your perspective of like what, what that actually means to take someone to the depths of who they are, you know, for those of you out there who you’re a transformational leader, coach.
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Mentor facilitator or someone who’s personally wanting to do the work, and this idea of like I want.
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And I hear that all the time of like, I don’t just want to stay on the surface level because I think one of the hard parts about self, the self help space and self improvement is that intellectually we can understand our shadow.
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Intellectually, we can understand motivation, goal setting, setting intention, like intellectually, I feel like it’s.
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Just do it.
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Just put yourself out there.
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Mark.
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Just have coffee right like.
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Intellectually, understand, like, oh, I need to have confidence to have a sales convers.
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But my friend, my really good friend Lissette says.
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Get what we believe at the deepest level.
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I love that yes.
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And so how do we take people to the depths?
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Does that look like?
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Does that mean?
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We can jam on that.
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Yeah. So you already spoke to some of it and I’ll just pull on some more pieces.
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Is every now and again we might, as practitioners, be able to luck out with a client and stay on the surface they say they.
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A.
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We strategize out vision out the.
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We strategize out the goal and then the client goes and does it, you know, or maybe mentions them a little scared of this and we we talk about it for right, but they’re still able to do it.
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That’s amazing.
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And also the exception to the rule.
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Human beings are messy.
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We come with our beliefs. We come with our fears.
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Come with our hidden shadows.
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Come with our resistances.
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And as practitioners, if we’re not able to get into those Craggs in real ways and like you said, not just cognitively but somatically and inactivating also the heart.
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And activating the spirit, which I’ll explain in a moment if we’re not able to do that.
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Our clients are not going to take the actions.
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Not gonna move towards their goals.
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And.
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Not only will they end up feeling frustrated, but we’re gonna end up questioning ourselves like, oh, my good.
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Ness am ia.
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Did I take their money? And you know all the things? And am I living in my purpose so?
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When we’re able to go deep to me, what that means is we’re not going deep.
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Like for naval gazing purposes. Although I like to do that sometimes too.
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Philosophical and a little obsessive with myself. But you know, in our work with clients, we’re going deep so that we can help our clients soften up and loosen up.
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Up all of the.
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That are in their way of taking action, of showing up for what they want, of being who they want to be, and in order to loosen all of those obstacles. You know, again, we can call them fear.
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The fears fear of.
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Fear of acceptance. We can call them.
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I need to be this, you know, or I need to be that.
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And then shadows much more complicated. But, you know, even pretending like they don’t have parts of themselves that they do.
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We wanna.
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Deep in order to really engage with the fears with the beliefs that are no longer.
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Helpful and with the hidden and the repressed shadows so that not only can our clients.
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Cognitively understand themselves more?
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Really important.
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We want that.
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Right.
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But so that we can also then from that cognitive understanding.
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Support our clients in real ways to shift.
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How their bodies, how their nervous systems?
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Are in relationship with those fears and those beliefs and those.
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We’re not trying to get rid of anything except for unhelpful beliefs, but we’re actually not trying to get rid of fears or shadows.
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We’re trying to get more regulated and grounded inside of ourselves so that.
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Can move forward.
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With the.
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Yeah, I I appreciate that so much and I’ve been doing a lot of deep work this year and I went to a training and they said the most powerful person in the room.
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Is the person with the most regulated nervous system.
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That’s.
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And so everything that we did was essentially to activate our nervous system and learn to regulate. So. And, you know, and any anything like this, the idea of doing a sales call can activate our nervous system.
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About we’re about to get on stage.
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Sh.
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That can activate our nervous system or deliver a webinar or a workshop, or a master class, or even before getting on a coaching call with a current client.
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And so how do we cultivate this capacity within ourselves to understand?
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What activates that?
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What our tendencies are and and learn how to how to regulate and and understand our emotions right are a piece of it.
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Our intuition, our mind.
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How do we get into a state?
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As a facilitator, as a leader that allows us to be of deep service.
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Ultimately, you know.
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Yes.
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Absolutely. And parts of that work are about learning.
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Regulation practices in general and then part of that that depth work is about learning how to engage with the fears and.
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In a different way and what I like to say is to be friend, to become friends with them.
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I think.
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Often we think because culture tells us get rid of the fear, banish the fear, Vanquish the fear.
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We’ll even release.
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That’s not.
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Well, that’s actually not the goal.
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The goal is to become better friends with it, to hold the fear in a regulated way so that you’re still able to take action and respond from that place.
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Because The thing is as like to say, the fears in particular.
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We don’t want to get.
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Need.
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So I always use the metaphor of the smoke alarm.
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We need the smoke alarm in the kitchen.
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There might be a fire.
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Right.
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The problem is that sometimes the smoke alarm doesn’t know the difference between.
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A legit fire and burnt toast. But that doesn’t mean we’re gonna take the smoke alarm out of the house.
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We need to.
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Understand the smoke alarm better. So we go up.
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That’s just burnt toast. Or that was a.
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20 years ago, but for who I am today, that’s just burnt toast, right?
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No, this is danger.
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Taking myself.
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Out of this situation, right?
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And I and I.
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Love this idea of and I think it doesn’t ever go away, right and our our brains are wired for safety and survival, not possibility and performance.
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And this idea of like it it does have a.
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It does have a role and it’s just making sure that it’s not driving the car right? Like Elizabeth Gilbert has this beautiful.
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Excerpt from her book Big Magic called The Road Trip, and she just talks about, you know, fear. I know you’re a part of this family.
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But you’re not allowed to touch the maps. You’re not allowed to touch the radio.
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You know all of that?
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And so you’re you’re forbidden to drive.
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And so it’s it’s like you are gonna be here and especially like the you wanna take things to the next level or you wanna get on the sages.
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Not about like.
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I think that this illusion of people waiting for that fear to go away.
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Never gonna happen.
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It’s never going to happen.
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Happen. And so yeah. Can I learn to be with it? And like you said, to befriend it so that I can move through it, knock it over it and not release it, but be with it in a way that it serves me rather than stops me.
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And to one of my mantras is my desire to be of service is greater than my fear.
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I.
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Love that.
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And so I’m. I’m more committed. You know, if if one of my fears is getting it right and looking good.
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My desire to be of service has to kind of like be above that, but like I would and I’ve had funny mantras in my head over the years, like even my worst workshop could change someone’s life.
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Even my worst talk could change someone’s life, and I’m not trying to go for like, I don’t want it to be bad, but it’s like.
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That I’m more committed to serving people than, you know, the ego really wants to like the the inner, the perfectionism, the people pleaser.
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I want everybody to get it and like it and have breakthroughs and transformation.
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If they.
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And what if they want their money?
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Know all the fears.
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And it’s like, well, what?
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OK, let’s go there.
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What if I?
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What if I forget my line?
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If I mess up.
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Exactly. Exactly.
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It’s it’s, you know, I can still be safe.
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I can completely bomb.
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And still.
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Safe. And I think that that that ability to kind of insource our sense of safety.
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Rather than outsource it.
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Yes.
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Right. Like I’m only safe if everybody in this training loves me.
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You know versus like I’m safe.
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Matter what?
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And I’m committed to being of service.
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And I have to cultivate that because when when we outsource that, that’s when we I don’t think can be.
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Yeah.
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Has in service.
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Completely and part of the work for ourselves and I love how you’re speaking to the difference between outsourcing and insourcing. And I think that part of the work for ourselves and also.
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When we support our clients and our group participants with this, you know another way to say what you’re saying is as follows.
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When we were younger, we needed to outsource.
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Because we didn’t have.
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The internal resources? Yeah. To feel safe in certain situations, right?
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Literally were not safe.
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Unless we outsource.
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And then oftentimes what happens is adults.
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In a.
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Now we go to be visible. Not everybody might like us.
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We might be rejected and we forget that we have those inner resources now.
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In the moment.
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We don’t do the sphere work.
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Everything we’re talking about in the moment, we’re slammed back to when we were five and literally we needed to outsource.
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Right. So part of the work for ourselves and part of the work with clients is to actually create awareness between the then in there and the here and now and the resources that we did or didn’t have back then versus the resources that we do have right now.
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I think that that’s so important to recognize that like, again, all of these things have served a purpose.
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Yeah. In our life at some point and that there’s a quote that says, you know, what kind of what got you?
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Here won’t get you there.
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And recognizing and and.
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Think it’s again saying thank you. Thank you for protecting me.
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You for keeping me safe.
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And it’s like I got me.
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I have my own back.
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And really, you know, when people ask me like.
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What do you?
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It’s like at the end of the day, I help people believe in them.
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Themselves and trust themselves.
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That it’s coming back to this like I’m safe no matter what.
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No matter what comments are under this video, no matter what someone says on a feedback form, I am safe. I am safe.
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Safe and helping people regulate again, regulate their nervous system and come back to that, to learning to insource that because I don’t think it’s a it’s a skill many people learned growing up and like you said, I always say visit visibility is vulnerability.
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So the more visible you are, the more vulnerable you are to people’s opinions, their beliefs, their thoughts, their.
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Mute.
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Their own ideas of what’s right or wrong.
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Pausing for dog barking.
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I was like, I hate.
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I was like, don’t look. I should have a little sign on the door.
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Can like see them coming.
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So, pausing, pausing for an edit moment here.
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But yeah, I think that.
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Journey are you done barking?
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Journey. You’re safe. Everything is safe.
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My puppies journey is OK, OK.
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Nope.
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Journey.
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OK.
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Sorry about that.
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You know, life, life be lifey.
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I like the my equivalent is teenagers that want something from me.
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Get it? Yeah.
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Yeah. And so I think helping people learn to regulate their nervous system in source, that sense of safety, so that they can be of service. And I think the more I’ve really learned how to do that as a facilitator.
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I I really feel that I’m I’m able to serve at a higher level and I think when I started out I was really coming from a people pleaser perfectionist mindset of like this. Again, look good, get it right.
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I want everybody to get it.
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And and taking on.
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This giant responsibility of this I want everyone.
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Want everybody to get it?
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Yes, yeah, that I want everybody to get.
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I mean, there’s so many things in what you just said.
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I think pull on this last piece that I want everybody to get.
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Is a depth killer.
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It is a vulnerability.
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Killer and it is a possibility killer within a container because the the moment that as leaders, as facilitators, we go in with everybody, needs to love and resonate.
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And get everything that I say or else I am a failure.
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Know, because that’s usually where we go, right?
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Right.
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I am a failure and I’m not good enough.
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Whatever.
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What happens?
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We are not fully present.
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To what actually is showing up in the room, and aside from the fact that it’s OK if not everybody gets everything, I’ve been to plenty of workshops as a participant where I haven’t resonated with everything but.
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Still received.
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Value.
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So even that fact aside.
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Yeah.
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When we’re not present then, and we’re thinking everybody needs.
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Get it?
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Then when someone shows up with resistance, for example, I don’t like that idea.
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I.
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You know that doesn’t work for me or whatever it is.
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Then we as facilitators, we’re not in our best selves.
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To hold space for that individual in that moment.
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Yeah.
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And the thing that is unfortunate about that and that’s why I’m saying it’s like a killer of possibility, is usually when resistance comes up in the room, that’s when the deepest, greatest learning for that individual.
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Everybody else is possible, like the next breakthrough.
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A bigger breakthrough is right there. If the practitioner is willing to meet it and not be defensive and show up with an open heart to hold the space.
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For that.
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I think that that is just it’s the essence of what it means to be.
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I I call it emergent facilitation.
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Of can I be with what is emerging in the space versus being attached to the outcome that I think that they should or are supposed to get?
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How I think it needs to look.
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How it?
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Yeah, it’s supposed to look this way.
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Get attached to that.
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Everyone, everyone on this retreat’s gonna get along.
00:26:48 Speaker 2
Everyone’s gonna have a breakthrough. All these things. Then when people don’t get along.
00:26:56 Speaker 2
Or there’s resistance to an exercise.
00:26:59 Speaker 2
Then yeah, we can get really thrown off versus like my only job is to meet the moment and to be of service.
00:27:08 Speaker 2
And to be with what is coming up right now.
00:27:13
That’s.
00:27:13 Speaker 2
And how and how do we can I think about it as how do we resource ourselves as leaders and facilitators to show up and meet the moment. And a lot of people come to me and I’m sure come to use like I wanna map out my retreat.
00:27:30 Speaker 2
Or.
00:27:31 Speaker 2
Have an agenda.
00:27:33 Speaker 2
You know, and finding this sweet spot or this balance of, you know, having a framework having enough of.
00:27:42 Speaker 2
A container to hold the journey.
00:27:46 Speaker 2
While also being able to meet people where they’re at and and.
00:27:54
Meet.
00:27:55 Speaker 2
What is arising for people without being like we have to go to the next thing because at 2:00?
00:28:01 Speaker 2
This.
00:28:02 Speaker 1
Exactly. Exactly.
00:28:03 Speaker 2
Right. And how to find that balance as facilitators? I think that I I have a lot of conversations with people about that with that sweet spot looks like because some people really want an agenda.
00:28:15 Speaker 2
I personally I could like.
00:28:17 Speaker 2
Lead things without an agenda.
00:28:19 Speaker 2
I create an agenda for other people.
00:28:21 Speaker 2
But then.
00:28:21 Speaker 2
Like but there’s so much magic that happens when there’s spaciousness for.
00:28:28 Speaker 2
All of the.
00:28:29 Speaker 2
In between moments, as it were, you know.
00:28:31 Speaker 1
It’s it’s so true.
00:28:33 Speaker 1
I mean both.
00:28:35 Speaker 1
As.
00:28:35 Speaker 1
Virgo. I like to have a plan.
00:28:39 Speaker 1
And at the same time, number one, you’re already speaking to this. Less is.
00:28:45 Speaker 1
I always tell people when they’re I’m helping them develop curriculum. I say it over less is more.
00:28:53 Speaker 1
Is more, less is more.
00:28:56 Speaker 1
You want to just save so much time for sharing, for coaching, for letting like you’re saying what wants to emerge emerge and I think.
00:29:10 Speaker 1
One of the there’s so many beliefs that go into being a masterful facilitator and one of the beliefs that I think helps with less is more and creating more space in addition to what we were just talking.
00:29:25 Speaker 1
Not to be scared of what comes up is to remember that.
00:29:30 Speaker 1
That.
00:29:31 Speaker 1
The power of a group program or a group retreat, or, you know, a group workshop.
00:29:41 Speaker 1
Is mainly in the.
00:29:46 Speaker 1
So so often facilitators forget this or don’t know this.
00:29:52 Speaker 1
Think I’m the most important person in the room or my curriculum is the most important element in the room, or the teaching is the most important and those are very important.
00:30:04 Speaker 1
But when we when we come to our groups with that belief, we’re not leveraging.
00:30:10 Speaker 1
The most incredible part of the group, which is the group the wisdom in the group, the vulnerability in the group.
00:30:17 Speaker 1
What’s gonna emerge from the group?
00:30:20 Speaker 1
The energy the connections among peers, all of that.
00:30:24 Speaker 1
When we remember that, I think it becomes a little bit easier to to let.
00:30:30 Speaker 1
No matter how much we’ve developed it, and I still like to develop curriculum a lot, but to let it take a little bit more of a backseat to Createspace.
00:30:38 Speaker 2
Yeah, yeah. And I I’m just getting back from leading a six day retreat down in Baja and.
00:30:46 Speaker 2
This retreat had the most space that I’ve ever had at any retreat. And you know, there’s a story in my head of facilitator. Like, I’m not doing enough ’cause. I’m like, in the pool floating on a Unicorn, like having the time of my life and.
00:31:03 Speaker 2
I’m like, am I this like, should I be doing more?
00:31:06 Speaker 2
Right. And I went through the feedback forms this week and they’re like, I loved how spacious it was.
00:31:16 Speaker 2
And most of the feedback forms I’ve gotten in the past have been like I would like more space, more free time, more more time to integrate, more in a beautiful place.
00:31:29 Speaker 2
Can take walks.
00:31:30 Speaker 2
And really like it, it makes it.
00:31:35 Speaker 2
The the group is where the magic happens and it’s allowing them to connect one on.
00:31:41 Speaker 2
Connect in small groups to really create their own experience and ultimately my job as the facilitator is to create the container for that to happen.
00:31:53 Speaker 2
So I think it’s really important on the front end of like what are we here for?
00:31:57 Speaker 2
Is this?
00:31:57 Speaker 2
And you know, we get curveballs.
00:32:00 Speaker 2
Like I there was an ice storm, the plane door flew.
00:32:04 Speaker 2
Like there was four people.
00:32:07 Speaker 2
That came a day late.
00:32:11 Speaker 1
It happened and.
00:32:11 Speaker 2
So you know, how do I navigate that?
00:32:14 Speaker 2
Do I?
00:32:15 Speaker 2
How do I again meet this moment and still build?
00:32:21 Speaker 2
Intentional container for transformation on the front end so that there can be this dance of spaciousness.
00:32:30 Speaker 2
Value in the content and finding finding the sweet spot. And that’s I think that the magic of again having I’ve found like just enough of a plan without too much. And I always say subject to change like.
00:32:44 Speaker 1
Right. Always subject to change.
00:32:46 Speaker 1
And I’m totally chuckling and cracking up at myself as you’re talking right now, because you were talking about like being in the pool and the spaciousness in between sessions. And the reason why I’m cracking up.
00:33:00 Speaker 1
Is because this is.
00:33:01 Speaker 1
This is so your brilliance of like the the having fun and the like. The in between sessions with the space. What I was talking about space. That’s not what I was talking about because I’m I’m a workhorse.
00:33:15 Speaker 1
I make like we’re training, you know.
00:33:19 Speaker 1
We don’t get much leisure in between, but there’s a lot of spaciousness.
00:33:24
Yes.
00:33:25 Speaker 1
Within the sessions for processing and sharing and getting coached and all of that. So anyway I’m just cracking.
00:33:32 Speaker 1
Both are so legit. Your your way and my way and it was making me think I need to lay on some more Unicorn floats a little bit more during retreats.
00:33:43 Speaker 2
Yeah. And it’s it’s just so funny.
00:33:46 Speaker 2
It’s it can’t.
00:33:48 Speaker 2
It’s really uncomfortable. ’cause. It’s like, oh, I have to be doing more.
00:33:50
Pardon.
00:33:54 Speaker 2
And people kept coming up to me, and they’re like, I’m having the time of my life.
00:33:58 Speaker 2
I’m like.
00:34:00 Speaker 2
Like I’m just hanging out here and I said to somebody ’cause they were talking about. I work with a lot of people who maybe.
00:34:07 Speaker 2
One coach is and they want to do group coaching and I I talk about like the magic of the group and who you curate and who’s in the room and who your audience is.
00:34:18 Speaker 2
I said.
00:34:19 Speaker 2
I mean like I know I’m pretty great, but imagine if you were just to come to Baja and hang out with just me for six days.
00:34:26 Speaker 1
Not as much fun as you are.
00:34:27 Speaker 2
Not.
00:34:28 Speaker 2
Much.
00:34:29 Speaker 2
Not as much fun.
00:34:31 Speaker 2
The value is in who’s in the room and as a facilitator, how do I again, I love the root word to facilitate, which is facile, which is to make easy.
00:34:42 Speaker 2
How do I make it easier for this group to learn from and grow from each other?
00:34:50 Speaker 2
And what do I do to set that up to tee it up?
00:34:54 Speaker 2
Because I also say just because people are in the room, it doesn’t mean they’re gonna connect.
00:34:59 Speaker 2
And it doesn’t mean they’re gonna connect.
00:35:01 Speaker 2
At a deep level.
00:35:03 Speaker 2
So what do I do to again set the tone we’ve talked about, like how to create a container?
00:35:13 Speaker 2
For transformation at the beginning of, whether it’s a virtual program, an in person retreat, a workshop of like, what are some of your hot tips around creating containers?
00:35:26 Speaker 2
I know this is something that you talk a lot about in your work and how how important it is on the front end.
00:35:32 Speaker 2
To set that tone so that the magic can unfold.
00:35:38 Speaker 1
Yeah.
00:35:38
Cancel.
00:35:39 Speaker 1
And it’s it’s so important too, because, like you’re saying, people don’t always get along or they don’t always agree or, you know, they’re not always BFF. But.
00:35:51 Speaker 1
When you and people tell me this about my spaces all the time, when you set the container in an intentional way and when you, then when you uphold the container.
00:36:05 Speaker 1
While people are in session and even having lunch outside of session, whatever, it’s gonna create an environment where for the most part people respect each other. They honor each other.
00:36:21 Speaker 1
There they will connect.
00:36:23 Speaker 1
You know as much as they much more I’ll say than otherwise.
00:36:28 Speaker 1
So it might not be Bffs, but people will honor and respect each other and.
00:36:34 Speaker 1
Affect their each other’s opinions and experiences.
00:36:39 Speaker 1
So much more.
00:36:41 Speaker 1
When that container is set and upheld so.
00:36:44 Speaker 1
So there’s so so many different things that go into setting a container, but you know a couple of just quickie things to think about, #1 towards the beginning after people have settled and you know, maybe you’ve grounded them, you’ve bought every.
00:37:05 Speaker 1
And don’t just dive into your first exercise.
00:37:11 Speaker 1
Like do some things and one of the first things that I always.
00:37:14 Speaker 1
Encourage leaders and facilitators to do is to speak to the shared goals of the group.
00:37:22 Speaker 1
So when you when you create that inspiration in the beginning, even though you’ve got however many different people and different personalities and different whatever in the room.
00:37:32 Speaker 1
When you speak to the shared goals and the shared possibilities and the shared intentions, and then within that speak to how people are also similar like I know for example my people.
00:37:45 Speaker 1
They’re all smarty pants.
00:37:46 Speaker 1
So I always like we’re all here are smarty pants. We’re all Transformers.
00:37:51 Speaker 1
Ethics are important, like one of our all of our top priorities.
00:37:56 Speaker 1
So when you speak to the shared intentions and what’s shared in the room to begin with.
00:38:03 Speaker 1
Right away.
00:38:05 Speaker 1
There it’s gonna create a connection like we we for this moment in time we were tribe and tribe stick together, right?
00:38:13
Hmm.
00:38:14 Speaker 1
So that’s one really, really important thing.
00:38:19 Speaker 1
Then the next important thing is also to speak to the differences, right?
00:38:23 Speaker 1
And we’re also not the.
00:38:25 Speaker 1
And to speak a little bit and honor and acknowledge that.
00:38:29
Right.
00:38:31 Speaker 1
So so important.
00:38:36 Speaker 1
I’ll just share a few.
00:38:37 Speaker 1
There’s so many I don’t want to.
00:38:39 Speaker 2
I know I love it.
00:38:40 Speaker 2
Love I’m.
00:38:41 Speaker 2
I’m learning this is good.
00:38:41 Speaker 1
So so we want to speak to that right and and to how because of those differences, we’re going to be interacting with each other, right.
00:38:52 Speaker 1
You might come from this background and you have this perspective.
00:38:57 Speaker 1
But that’s not necessarily true for everybody.
00:39:00 Speaker 1
So don’t make assumptions right before before you speak, before you share.
00:39:06 Speaker 1
There are different backgrounds here.
00:39:08 Speaker 1
Are different experiences.
00:39:11 Speaker 1
Here so you know some of those logistics things.
00:39:16 Speaker 1
Speaking to resistance, right, so, so important.
00:39:21 Speaker 1
You might not like.
00:39:22 Speaker 1
You know something that we’re about to do, you might not want to do this exercise.
00:39:26 Speaker 1
Might come up.
00:39:27 Speaker 1
You might start noticing that you’re rolling your eyes at what somebody else says, or what I’m saying. As a facilitator, you might want to leave the room, right?
00:39:36 Speaker 1
1st to normalize the full range.
00:39:40 Speaker 1
Of resistance because it happens for all of us, right?
00:39:44 Speaker 1
And if we come in as facilitators thinking that that’s not OK, energy follows energy.
00:39:50 Speaker 1
It’s gonna show up for people, right?
00:39:52 Speaker 1
But then they’re gonna think it’s not OK.
00:39:54 Speaker 1
If we name in the beginning.
00:39:56 Speaker 1
This has the potential to show up.
00:39:58 Speaker 1
It’s totally normal.
00:40:00 Speaker 1
It’s usually just a symptom of a fear coming up.
00:40:04 Speaker 1
It means you’re in it, you know, and you’re in the process.
00:40:07 Speaker 1
Is how you handle it right?
00:40:10 Speaker 1
To speak to all of that, then, all of a sudden it it just that is another just thing that shores up that container helps people be more present helps people feel connected to each other.
00:40:23 Speaker 1
Of course you want to do some exercises in the beginning where different people are going to start to talk and share and connect so many more things I can say, but for right now it just the what I want to kind of umbrella all of these container setting.
00:40:38 Speaker 1
With is.
00:40:41 Speaker 1
What is most important beyond the do this and then do this and.
00:40:46 Speaker 1
Do this.
00:40:48 Speaker 1
Is who we as facilitators are being when we show up to set the container.
00:40:57 Speaker 1
Entered our I call it our energetics, our energetics.
00:41:03 Speaker 1
Are the most important thing.
00:41:05 Speaker 1
So if we’re showing up as leaders and we’re not willing to be vulnerable.
00:41:14 Speaker 1
There is no way that we can expect anybody else to be vulnerable.
00:41:20 Speaker 2
Mm.
00:41:21 Speaker 1
If we’re showing up as leaders and we don’t trust other people in the group, you know, we think this, that and the other thing, there is no way that we can expect for there to be trust in the container. If we show up and we don’t trust.
00:41:37
Ourselves.
00:41:39 Speaker 1
How can we expect anyone to trust us?
00:41:44 Speaker 1
And then one.
00:41:45 Speaker 1
The biggies on this and I mean we could talk hours on this so good.
00:41:53 Speaker 1
So, right.
00:41:54 Speaker 1
So juicy all day but one of.
00:41:56 Speaker 1
Biggies on energetics.
00:41:59 Speaker 1
Is.
00:42:00 Speaker 1
And this helps with group dynamics with containers. All of the things.
00:42:06 Speaker 1
It is essential for us to show up and understand that no person in the room, including ourselves.
00:42:17 Speaker 1
Is more powerful.
00:42:19 Speaker 1
Than anyone else.
00:42:22 Speaker 1
We must show up.
00:42:23 Speaker 1
With an energy of an equal playing field.
00:42:29 Speaker 1
That I, as the facilitator, am no better.
00:42:33 Speaker 1
Than anyone else in the room.
00:42:35 Speaker 1
And also a lot of times we were.
00:42:37 Speaker 1
Other people are better or have more power or gonna.
00:42:40 Speaker 1
Write us also showing up with the understanding that nobody else is more powerful than me now. As a leader, I have unique.
00:42:48 Speaker 1
Leadership capabilities, I have to hold the space.
00:42:51 Speaker 1
Holding the.
00:42:52 Speaker 1
I’m directing some.
00:42:54 Speaker 1
I have a different role.
00:42:57 Speaker 1
Than everybody else in the room. But there is no hierarchy here.
00:43:01 Speaker 2
Yeah.
00:43:03 Speaker 1
If we come in.
00:43:07 Speaker 1
Truly embodying shared power.
00:43:09 Speaker 1
That’s what’s gonna happen in the community and in the circle, and everybody will share power with each other.
00:43:17 Speaker 2
Yeah, I I appreciate that. So much of like as leaders and facilitators who were being.
00:43:25 Speaker 2
Is the most important thing.
00:43:27 Speaker 2
And and it it sets the energy. I talk about this idea of you get to bring the weather.
00:43:35 Speaker 2
And like what weather do you want to bring to this space? And you’re really setting setting the tone, setting the temperature, creating this. You know, this idea of a container, I think about it is like we get to coat and this is how kinda I open it we.
00:43:52 Speaker 2
To Co create.
00:43:54 Speaker 2
A magical universe over the next 6 days.
00:43:57 Speaker 2
Together and what do we want inside of this magical universe?
00:44:01 Speaker 2
Out in the world.
00:44:03 Speaker 2
There’s all sorts of, you know, different agreements that people different unspoken agreements that everybody has. We are going to intentionally.
00:44:13 Speaker 2
Who create how we want to show up for each other for this experience so that everybody gets what they need. Everyone feels seen and heard and like.
00:44:26 Speaker 2
It’s I talk about this idea of Community agreements, community expectations.
00:44:30 Speaker 2
Group norms, whatever you want to call them.
00:44:33 Speaker 2
And it’s really like we get to create like what is the world that we want to live in?
00:44:38 Speaker 2
And we get to practice being in that world with and for each other over the next six days over the next six months that we have in this group container together, right?
00:44:47 Speaker 2
And so asking for people’s input and and some people might say like respect. And then you might write that down.
00:44:55 Speaker 2
Versus what does respect mean?
00:44:57 Speaker 2
What does it look like?
00:44:59 Speaker 2
Does it sound?
00:44:59 Speaker 2
What does it feel like?
00:45:01 Speaker 2
Do you know?
00:45:02 Speaker 2
When you’re respected or not, trust great. What does trust look like in this space?
00:45:08 Speaker 2
And I think instead of just having these like big words, we want trust and collaboration and you know, respect.
00:45:15 Speaker 2
Like, really helping each other articulate that.
00:45:21 Speaker 2
And again from that shared power at the end of creating those, it’s like, whose responsibility is it?
00:45:31 Speaker 2
Is it mine or is it ours?
00:45:35 Speaker 2
We created it together and we get to like live live into this.
00:45:41 Speaker 2
And also giving people the tools like.
00:45:42 Speaker 2
If we’re not.
00:45:43 Speaker 2
‘Cause guess.
00:45:44 Speaker 2
We’re human. We’re flawed.
00:45:46 Speaker 2
We’re gonna mess up.
00:45:47 Speaker 2
Are gonna happen.
00:45:49 Speaker 2
And one of the like, I like giving people tools in advance of I’m noticing.
00:45:56 Speaker 2
There’s a handful of people who talk a lot.
00:46:00 Speaker 2
I’m wondering if those people that are talking more than others, if they can step back and other people can invite that or let’s get into smaller groups more often than the big group, if if not everybody is comfortable sharing in that space. So it’s like.
00:46:16 Speaker 2
Giving people tools to bring that up, either in the group or to me.
00:46:20 Speaker 2
So that because oftentimes I think we set these agreements at the beginning and then like they’re on some paper that no one ever looks at ever again.
00:46:27 Speaker 1
They’re not actually living.
00:46:29 Speaker 2
They’re not actually like a.
00:46:31 Speaker 2
Breathing document and I would love to ask you a.
00:46:31
Document.
00:46:34 Speaker 2
I know we’re kind of getting towards the end of our conversation together, but like you work with a lot of high level coaches and leaders and facilitators and you know people that come to my retreats are similar.
00:46:46 Speaker 2
And one of the things that is interesting is this idea of, and we put this on our Community agreements is no unsolicited.
00:46:56 Speaker 2
Coaching advice or feedback because we’re all here and it’s like.
00:47:03 Speaker 2
All wanna help each other.
00:47:05 Speaker 2
Yet you know, as a leader and a facilitator of, like, OK, you’re trusting me to hold the space.
00:47:10 Speaker 2
But there are brilliant people here and I love it when people help each other.
00:47:16 Speaker 2
There’s like.
00:47:18 Speaker 2
A balance yes to that and I don’t know if there’s anything that you do just like some high level.
00:47:20 Speaker 1
Yeah.
00:47:24 Speaker 2
I don’t.
00:47:24 Speaker 2
That’s like a probably a whole other podcast.
00:47:25 Speaker 1
Guys for so much again, I’m like, OK.
00:47:28 Speaker 1
Only pick one or.
00:47:29 Speaker 1
Of the things, because I think there’s a lot.
00:47:30 Speaker 1
Actually a lot that goes into it, right?
00:47:34 Speaker 1
So I’ll just share a couple things, #1.
00:47:39 Speaker 1
To be really clear, when you’re asking the group for a share.
00:47:45 Speaker 1
To be really clear on what the purpose of a share is, particularly after an individual in the group has shared something really vulnerable. Sometimes after someone in the group shares something vulnerable with people’s hands will go up, right?
00:47:56
Hmm.
00:48:03 Speaker 1
Before I call on anyone in those moments, I’m gonna say I I can’t wait to hear and what I wanna hear from each of you is not any feedback.
00:48:14 Speaker 1
Or advice that you have for Marley.
00:48:18 Speaker 1
But instead what really touched you about that share?
00:48:23 Speaker 1
Did you learn for yourself about that share?
00:48:27 Speaker 1
How does that share relate to you?
00:48:32 Speaker 1
Right, so that.
00:48:34 Speaker 1
I’m. I’m already baking in to the.
00:48:38 Speaker 1
What it is when people go off into breakout groups and you usually the breakout groups they’re sharing.
00:48:47 Speaker 1
Things that have come up from an exercise that we’ve done.
00:48:51 Speaker 1
I always give specific.
00:48:53 Speaker 1
You’ll have this many minutes to share, and then if you would like reflections from your partners, that is the moment for reflection.
00:49:06 Speaker 1
However, you might just want them as sacred witnesses to hold the space for you to express what came through and to be seen and heard in it, and and some of the breakout rooms I say we’re not having reflections, it’s just sacred.
00:49:20 Speaker 1
Witness time.
00:49:24 Speaker 1
What’s important for us as facilitators is number one, to give a really good instructions on this.
00:49:29 Speaker 1
#2 to not be afraid to interrupt someone, right?
00:49:35 Speaker 1
Even when we give crystal clear instructions.
00:49:39 Speaker 1
Every now and again, someone is still, you know, and again out of their own, usually out of their own.
00:49:44 Speaker 1
Really wanna help?
00:49:45 Speaker 1
They’re still right.
00:49:47 Speaker 1
Don’t be afraid to interrupt someone with love with respect.
00:49:53 Speaker 1
With honor.
00:49:54 Speaker 1
Kindness.
00:49:55 Speaker 1
But interrupt and say hey, you know, I want to pause you.
00:50:00 Speaker 1
Sounds like you have some really great and beautiful feedback from Marley, but we actually don’t know if she wants that feedback right now. She just shared in a big way and I would like for Marley to sit in the being seen with that.
00:50:15 Speaker 1
Can you redirect?
00:50:16 Speaker 1
And share with us what’s important for this.
00:50:19 Speaker 2
And I interrupt and I and I think that that is so important.
00:50:20 Speaker 1
We want to.
00:50:24 Speaker 2
As a facilitator.
00:50:28 Speaker 2
It’s like to create the safety is like the.
00:50:31 Speaker 2
Agreements on the front end.
00:50:33 Speaker 2
But then, to maintain the safety is am I willing?
00:50:38 Speaker 2
To pause people, to redirect.
00:50:43 Speaker 2
And I think a lot of people like I don’t wanna hurt somebody’s feelings, but it’s my my mission as a facilitator is like to really maintain the integrity of the group experience.
00:50:55 Speaker 2
And that is my my number one job is to again we set the container and then we get to maintain.
00:51:03 Speaker 2
So there are so many things that you shared with us today that I think are just like gems and golden Nuggets for anyone who is leading any groups out there.
00:51:13 Speaker 2
Of you know, how do we you know, tune up our own skills.
00:51:17 Speaker 2
How do we go to our own depths so that we can walk people through that?
00:51:22 Speaker 2
And you know, create these beautiful containers for.
00:51:26 Speaker 2
So I just want to thank you for this conversation, for your work in the world. I would love if you have any final thoughts to share with our audience and where people can find you and learn more about.
00:51:38 Speaker 2
Your work, and if they want to dive into their depths, where can they do that with you?
00:51:42 Speaker 1
Store yes and I love this.
00:51:45 Speaker 1
I feel like we covered so many things.
00:51:47 Speaker 2
No, we did.
00:51:48 Speaker 2
It was so good, so juicy.
00:51:50 Speaker 1
Good evening.
00:51:51 Speaker 1
So just in terms of last thoughts, if there if there’s just one, I think end where I started, which is just for for all of the leaders in the facilitators out there, just to really remember.
00:52:07 Speaker 1
That your whole incomplete exactly as you are. You don’t need anything more. All that you bring all the parts are exactly what’s needed for you as a facilitator to really serve your people. And I just really wanna encourage everyone to keep on coming back to that, knowing you.
00:52:27 Speaker 1
Need to fix or change any.
00:52:29 Speaker 1
About yourself, it’s about being you and being you and being you.
00:52:36 Speaker 2
Love that.
00:52:37 Speaker 2
So good.
00:52:39 Speaker 1
So and yeah, I my business or my website is called Applied Depth Institute and so you can find me there at applieddepthinstitute.com.
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And there’s a.
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There’s a whole blog with lots of information and content and inspiration you can download.
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Lots of different free gifts for facilitators.
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About working with Shadow, working with resistance and lots more so.
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So many amazing resources and you know your your work, your programs.
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I mean, I’ve I’ve been a part of.
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I’ve had other people that I know do a lot of work with you and nothing but rave reviews all around.
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If you are interested in diving into your depths as a facilitator.
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Really expanding your capacity to serve people.
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In a really powerful way, definitely check out Joanna’s work and.
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I’m constantly learning from you and your knowledge and your wisdom and just thank you for being you.
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Thank you for sharing your magic in your medicine for those that want to serve people in a really powerful and transformational way.
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So honored to have this conversation with you.
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And thank you all for being here for listening and keep going out there and sharing your magic in medicine with the world until next time.
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See you soon.
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Care.
